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probable cause and they want to -- >> we need to go straight to the top of the hour from here and then we'll take a break in the 11:00 show pause this is an important conversation that we're having here. >> thank you guys. very much. appreciate it. >> by the way, it is a myth that ted kennedy was on the no-fly list. >> john lewis was on it. my stepfather was on it. >> here we go, top. hour, donald trump preparing for his next big speech tomorrow and promising to hammer hillary clinton. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. candidate trump meeting with conservative christians and will they support him in the general? i'll talk to two leaders who were there and as clinton blasts trumpnomics as dangerous most voters trust him on the economy and the presumptive nominee said he would be happy to self-fund his campaign with $1.3 million in the bank versus clinton's 42 million. can he put his money where his
mouth is? we'll begin tonight with cnn's white house correspondent jim acosta following the trump campaign. jim? >> reporter: don, donald trump is trying to pivot away from some. recent troubles hampering his campaign. has had a speech set for tomorrow aimed at attacking hillary clinton right here in new york city and has trump has been brushing off concerns about his poll number and recent fund-raising totals the prumptive gop nominee has been attempting to turn up the heat on hillary clinton. at a meeting with evangelical leaders right here in new york trump questions clinton's christian faith. here's what he had to say. >> hillary in terms of religion. she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no -- there's nothing out there. there's like nothing out there. it's going to be an extension of obama, but it's going to be worse because with obama you had your guard up. with hillary you don't. >> reporter: trump campaign has even set up a website called lyingcrookedhillary.com but the campaign acknowledges it's not even ready yet and won't be up
and running for a few days. don? >> thank you very much for that, jim. appreciate that. joining me now, two people who were at the meeting today with trump, bishop harry, have ain o, the pastor of hope christian church and marjorie dannenfeld, president of the susan b. anthony list who helped organize the event. so glad to have both of you here. you were both inside this trump meeting today. what was your biggest takeaway, marjorie you first? >> my biggest takeaway is there's a distance to be made between what everybody wanted to believe and -- and what they hoped to gain from this meeting, meaning trump was there to help bridge the gap. i think everybody in that meeting was really willing and hoping to find something that they could embrace about him, and i think they did find t.i think the most important thing, despite sort of feelings and emotion and swagger and all the things is that there are positions that need to be taken that have to be pursued in this
election, and i think they found that there were -- those positions were -- were well documented by him on the pro-life movement perspective. it was pro-life judges. it was -- it was also the -- the religious liberty and many commitments made as well. i think it really helped bridge that difference and it meant that there they will be far more likely for evangelicals to vote for trump on election day. >> interesting. bishop, what's your takeaway? >> i wanted to hear what he thought about things like criminal justice reform, what he thought about poverty, education. how do you bring jobs to minority communities? i believe minority evangelicals are going to set the tone and maybe decide the election so i was very pleased to hear that he was listening. he was attentive and that he's willing to reach out and make some real strides. >> did he address those issues that you're concerned with? >> he did address those issues, and i think he's going to
prepare to talk more about them, and he gets the gravity of what it looks like to be branded as a racist or seen as an extremist, and he's a very smart guy, and he's a different person sitting around a table or in a room where there's an exchange going on than in some of the rallies. >> that's what many people have said and that's what i said and when you pete him, interviewing him he's a different person than what he gets in front of the podium and you're like who is that guy? how do you reconcile that? >> you say you're not endorsing trump but you're willing to listen to him? >> african-americans need a choice. we've been taken advantage of by the democratic party in my opinion. it's almost like they come to us the sunday before the tuesday, promise us and say we feel your pain and then they go away and do nothing, and historically many times conservatives, and i am a conservative, don't follow through with reaching out on justice issues so this could be
a new opportunity for the minority communities to really have some things delivered that need to be acted on. >> margery, you said what happened today exceeded your expectations. what issues did he hit responsible for you that -- that helped with conservatives, did he speak on? >> well, i think that the most important thing was that he was honestly i know it seems weak but he was there. the fact that he would show up to an evangelical meeting after everything that he went through in the primary. our organization started out saying not trump, absolutely not. he's unacceptable to us. we moved in the direction of accepting him. why is that? because we saw that he made commitments, specific policy commitments on the pro-life issue. he started appointing people in his campaign that were very acceptable. friends of the pro-life movement and friends of the conservative movement, sarah huckabee, john
mashburn and john smits, very strong conservatives we knew we could live with. that's an indication of the future administration. >> anything he said and any of his rhetoric in the past doesn't matter. this is time to move forward and let bigoncz be bygones. >> here's what he. is he's the fresh -- he's got the zeal of a convert on the pro-life issue. he came around the pro-life issue just a few years ago so today was an opportunity to talk to him about what that means to him. i think that we started to see what that means. we wanted to hear more of that and i think that actually he, because of his transparency and his willingness to talk to people that are in this environment meant that we could start moving towards election day with some confidence. >> bishop, donald trump claims he's the most lbgt friendly candidate. tony perkins responded to that. listen to this. >> no american, which they are under barack obama, living in fear because of islamic terrorists coming to this
country, so, yes, lbgt, catholic, protestant, i don't care, atheists, one who wore the uniform of a united states marine and has worn the uniform, no american should live in fear and that's what donald trump is saying. >> are they are leaning to having him speak more inclusively of gay and transgender and bisexual and lesbian americans? >> i don't think so. i think he's saying i'm going to protect all americans and he's really trying to show han inclusive side of himself meaning he would be the president of all people in the nation, and that's an aspect of his character and his approach that we have not really been able to hear until this moment. >> i think one thing is important to mention he brought up the johnson amendment, repealing the johnson amendment many times during this
conversation today and the johnson amendment was a limitation on religious -- religious people to speak out, pastors, priests. if you have a tax status which is a church tax status you can't speak out in elections. he advocated repealing that amendment. that is a top priority for anybody who was a religion leader, a religious believer and so it was really -- >> also a top priority for the separationch chur cc cch of chue and if you're in an organization and have a tax write-off one should not be making religious or political statements. >> this is the argument. if you think the establishment of religion means that anybody who speaks of who is a religion participator or is part of a church is an establishment of religion, but, of course, the establishment clause meant that the government should not establish an official religion. it was never meant to apply to free exercise of religion, so
the johnson happenedment really stifled religious people's ability to speak out on the most important moral matters and religious matters and civil matters of the nation. the civil rights amendment, the abortion issue, and -- and -- >> but you understand why that was in? >> i understand why. >> because many people use bible verses and use religion to discriminate against african-americans and discriminate against women, the same verses they are using now to discriminate against lbgt people and why should someone be sanctioned -- someone sanctioned by the church be able to do that? >> amen, and those same verses -- >> when you have a tax-exempt status but you won't accept all americans as part of your organization. >> and those same verses have been used in the civil rights movement for peace, for justice, for mercy and love towards the people -- >> but people weren't being killed for people and justice. people weren't being lynched for piece and justice. people were being killed because they were black because the church said that black people --
>> these are not biblical values. we're speaking of biblical values being expressed. >> you're absolutely right. >> this is not an establishment -- >> hold on. people who use bible verses to discriminate against people. they are not godly values. they were being interpreted. >> should people be suppressed by the irs because they are found by you or somebody else to be misused? no. used rightly or wrongly -- >> they should not be -- the church should not be allowed to do that. >> it's not an establishment of religion to freely express our opinion, especially whether -- whether we're -- >> that's opinion. it's just an opinion. >> and -- and the country was founded on the first amendment, and it involved the free -- the free exercise of religion. >> you are free to say whatever you want but you're also -- >> whether you're muslim or jewish. >> and especially if you have a tax-exempt status, your tax-exempt status can be revoked
because you're doing something that is a conflict to church and state. the church should not have any influence in the state. that's how the country was established. >> so using a religion region to call out people who are injuring -- who are undermining human rights, as soon us a use a -- >> no, in your estimation. >> i'm just asking you. as soon us a use a religious reason to call out human rights abuses, then we should -- we should be -- our speech should be suppressed. is that what you're saying, because we use -- >> how is it calling out religious a test. >> what you're saying is a human rights abuse, to discriminate against someone is a human rights abuse? >> how about going after people at the polls because -- if you have a religious reason to kill those people, that's an abuse of religious freedom, right? okay. that's -- that's true. so how about when we use religious -- when we use our religious voice to actually --
to express the dignity of those people who were in that place, that they were created by god for a purpose in this world, lofld by the lord and they should be protected by the police and by everybody in this nation and -- >> i think you're going all around the world to make -- to make a point that does not make any sense. >> i think this is a biblical value, a godly value. >> we'll agree to disagree. >> establishment of religion is not our expressing our individual rights. >> i would like to just make a statement. the johnson amendment was originally suppressing the voice of the african-american church and that's one of the problems is the freedom of speech and the freedom to really confront issues of the day should be our right as is consistent with our faith. i think that's ultimately what she's attempting to say, and, unfortunately, we feel as though that handcuffs the church and
kind of mutes us unnecessarily. that's the essence of my statement. >> thanks for coming on. appreciate your statement. when we come back, family feud what, hillary clinton told to the interviewer who told you his whole family is voting for trump. we'll be right back. w 2016 chev, but here's the catch. you're only going to answer me in emojis. so, this cruze has built-in 4g lte wifi® with 24 gigs of data. wow. (message sent sfx) strong! it also comes with 24 months of siriusxm satellite radio. (message sent sfx) like, word, chevy. that's the way to go. pick the one emoji that sums up the car. a crystal ball... i can see the future. that was deep.
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hillary clinton got a surprise during a radio interview when a host, a clinton supporter, told her his whole family is voting for trump. joining is me now is the host of the top rated enrique santos show on univision, also a supporter of hillary clinton and supporter of the lbgt community. you wear many hats. >> thanks for having me on, don. very excited to have had madam secretary on today's showers, of course. >> can we take it down and you and i mott get into some confrontation like has been happening this entire show. i want to start by playing how you wrapped up your interview with hillary clinton today. here we go. >> sure. >> my father is voting for trump because he says that he can't
trust you. my mother says you're a crook and my brother says you should go to jail. what would you say to them? they are listening to them and others like them. how would you convince them to sit on your side of the field? why is hillary clinton the right choice for america? >> people who know me don't pay attention to the kind of ridiculous untrue attacks that are in the media against me, that come out of, you know, donald trump and other republicans. >> so she went on to say that she had a good track record as senator and secretary of state. how do you think she handled that? >> i think she handled it very well. i think she was very honest and open and that's how i see hillary clinton although some people don't see her that way, like my father, my brother, my mother. that's the beautiful thing about this country. my parents and grandparents migrated from communist cuba and have never been able to vote in their country and my grandparents, two of them died, not having returned to their cuba or vote a free cuba or see
a free cuba. we're bless that had this country has opened doors to so many of my latin brothers and sisters from so many wonderful countries and that's what we're made up. that's the fab risk the united states and, don, what worries me -- >> did they tell you what the turning point was for them, you know, to vote for donald trump rather than to support hillary clinton? >> no, they can't, and that's the whole point. the majority of the people that are all -- too far right can't really tell you. they just hear things and repeat what people are saying and -- and don't even make sense like the majority of the stuff that donald trump says makes no sense and plays into what's going on, but it's not really concrete. his ideas aren't concrete. the turning point, i can tell you the turning point for me was, you know, when i originally registered to vote in this country was to do what a good cuban-american should do is register as a republican and then i noticed that people would just vote for parties because they voted for parties.
i don't like voting for parties. i like as growing up as a gay man here in the yirkts i realized i needed to make decisions on my own and this country runs very well and at its best when it's not far right or far left and when we meet in the middle and agree to disagree and that's what this country is really made up of. the turning point for me was that. i wanted to decide on my end. i'm an independent and i wanted to vote for the person who makes the most sense out of all the nonsense and what donald trump says makes no sense and scares me. >> donald trump has been saying all along he'll get a lot of support from the hispanic community. apparently has the support of your cuban-american family, a group that traditionally votes republican. do you think that he'll get broader support beyond cubans who traditionally vote republican? >> i doubt it. weied have to see in november, right? statistics are statistics. it is what it is. all these -- you see the
percentages. they say donald trump has this much and hillary has this much support and interpenalty are going this way and republicans are this way and women are favoring. he goes on and says he's winning with hispanics and people in the gay community. now i see hashtag when i was on the way here to the studio gays for trump. i don't know what to tell you. you don't know what to believe. so much stuff on the internet. i like making decisions on my own, making informed decisions and that's what we should be basing our vote on. >> and we'll be talking about one of those gays for trump is chris barron coming up in the next hour -- coming up in this hour. we'll be discussing that, but we have been talking a lot about trump and race and one of his biggest criticisms is related to his comments about minorities, particularly mexicans. even paul ryan said trump's comments about a judge with mexican heritage was the textbook definition of racism. i have to ask you. do you think trump is racist? >> i don't know him personally.
i can't in black and white tell you that he is a rates of. however, i can tell you that he's feeding in and saying racist comments, saying things that would -- that would lead you to believe, right, that a -- that a person that says the things that he says, that does what he does and talks to people in the way and treats people the way he treats people you would tend to think that he's racist. i can tell you because i know people personally like miss universe 1997, i know her personally. she's not make up a story when she says she was bullied by donald trump or says she was called miss piggy. it's not made up with the things he's said publicly here with women and makes fun of the handicap. i mean, is this the person we want leading the united states of america? i'm concerned for our future. i think we all should be. i understand there's some concerns when it comes to hillary clinton and some people that just don't like her for whatever the reason is. i think that -- it's scary. i mean, in my lifetime, in our lifetime, don, i don't think we've ever seen an election as
such where we've seen so much hate, so much violence. it's -- we're living in some freaky times. >> yeah. >> well, and it's going to get even more interesting as we, you know, get closer to november. >> unfortunately. >> thank you, eneroki santos, appreciate it. >> thank, don. >> we come back and hillary clinton predicts donald trump would be a disaster for the economy, but do voters see it that way and we'll discuss that interview as well coming up. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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donald trump trying to get back on track amid campaign turmoil. here to discuss stephen miller, the seep zor individualser to donald trump and bernard whitman, author of "52 reasons to vote for hillary" and alice stewart, republican strategist. so, stephen, what was it like inside the trump campaign of day one without cory loon dousk? what was it like? >> well, corey performed a tremendous service for this
campaign for which we'll always be grateful and corey exit the campaign with a degree of class and poise that i think is an example for anybody out there in life to follow. beyond that i don't real very anything more to say except to say we're looking forward to running a viggious general election campaign against hillary clinton. >> but you realize you didn't ask my question. what was it like? the first panel that i had on, our correspondents, i said what was it like today, he said, don, we've gotten more e-mails today than maybe we've gottent entire campaign. you work inside the campaign and you can't tell me what it's like. >> i'm happy to answer that question. >> i wanted to take a moment -- i think it's important to take a moment to recognize. >> what was it like? >> the class with which corey handled his departure. i think it's important. i think it's important example. >> so what was it like inside of the campaign? >> today's campaign. we're starting a full howitzer-style rapid response operation in which every lie is going to be rebutted, every
falsehood is going to be challenged and every statement incorrect will be put to the test so today america saw and reporters saw a vigorous, aggressive full-throated rapid response operation to hillary clinton's foreign policy speech. >> thank you very much. >> so today the campaign -- let me stay with him, numerous press releases related to iran and the economy and he needs to focus on foreign policy. is he being advised on all these matters now? are we going to start hearing more? we've heard some things from him. are we going to start hearing more? >> he actually did give a foreign policy speech maybe like six weeks ago now. >> and giving some tomorrow. >> which laid out his foreign policy philosophy and a shift away from nation-building and internationalism to consensus-building and focusing on discreet national security goals like defeating isis and terrorism. now, tomorrow he's going to give a speech which is going to get into foreign policy except it's going to focus at least in some measure on the foreign policy of
hillary clinton. >> rebutting what she said about him today as well. >> no, it's going to be focusing on hillary clinton's record as secretary of state. when hillary clinton came into his office, as we know, we didn't know about isis. isis wasn't even on the map. four year isis in libya and isis in syria. her decision to push regime change in syria and libya, her decision to both go into iraq and precipitously -- >> he's going to -- >> and with draw from the iraq has put isis all across the middle east. >> he'll discuss that. >> just limited time. >> and all of these steps are critical for what the next step is, and as he mentioned, corey did a phenomenal job getting trump to where he is but now it's time to shift to the general election mode and focus on fleshing out policies and no matter of what we had in the primary, from my candidate standpoint, ted cruz, we didn't like the fact, but it was attacking republicans and attacking the c and paul ryan. now clearly there's a shift to bringing the message against
hillary clinton, against barack obama and that is clearly what the trump campaign is doing, and that's what's necessary in order to continue to move the ball down the field and be successful. >> let's talk about money now, okay, because, you know, we talked about the amount of money earlier on the show and everyone has been talking about the amount of money that donald trump has or has not raised. here's what i want to-to-did you, bernard. what mark cuban tweeted about donald trump. if he were as fractionally as rich as he says he is he would write a $200 million check to propel the campaign. he doesn't have the cash, so you say that the fec filing was extraordinary and a major indicator of his weakness. you think donald trump can make up that deficit? >> no, i don't. everybody knows the first thing when you're running a business you have to watch cash flow and how much you're spending and how much revenue you're taking in. clearly nobody is mining the ship. an absolute outrage. he has $12 million, that's incredible and absurd. it's outrageous and the idea that he is this amazing
businessman and can make deals and come from a position of strength and one thing you don't want to do in politics is have a major embarrassment. journalist and people who watch campaigns watch these numbers religiously and know they will come out and push for fund raising deadlines and even in his fund-raising deadlines perpetuates the lies. the rapid response on lies, are they going to turn that on their own campaign because he's full of one lie after lie, saying this is the first fund-raising e-mail sent out by the campaign and sent out four earlier in the month. >> would you like to answer that? you don't have to. >> let me say i don't want to respond but i actually do. if you want to talk about something shameful and disgraceful and outrageous, what's outrageous is that ambassador stephens in libya and his staff requested security as many as 600 times and they were left to die, blood smeared on the walls of the compound. you've seen the pictures.
that is an outrage. i'm sorry, but your feigned indignation over the fund-raising numbers strikes me to be indiana sincere at best a as a culture need to focus on the issues that affect lives of real americans. you have situations with single mothers who can't get enough cash to get child care for fair students and failing schools in the inner cities and rising crime. >> i have missed two breaks on the show and if i miss another one you won't be seeing me here tomorrow night so we'll continue this right after the break. don't go to tokyo. live in tokyo. when you airbnb, you have your own home. so, live there. even if it's just for a night. having acne... ...was always on my mind. so i asked a dermatologist about new aczone dapsone gel 7.5%.
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and we're back now with stephen miller, bernard whitman and also alice stewart. so you were responding to what? >> two quick points, stooempt number one, you know what's really disgusting is the fact that republicans like mr. trump and the rest of your campaign are continuing to politicize the death of ambassador stevens. i know personally that members of ambassador stevens' families are absolutely disgusted that the republicans continue to draw his name through the mud and politicize his death to score political points. it's honestly outrageous. >> but you don't think people have the right to know about her record as secretary of state. >> they absolutely do, but to continue to bring up -- to continue to bring up benghazi and throw ambassador stevens name around to score political points is beyond the pale. never saw that happen when al qaeda attacked the world trade centers under george w. bush. nobody said george w. bush is responsible for the death of 3,000 americans. we'll hold him personally responsible in the way of personal attacks the republicans
and mr. trump are doing to hillary clinton. completely outrageous and the other point you talk about hard working americans. where are the hard working americans' jobs going to go when donald trump gives $3 trillion in tax breaks to millionaires and 2 trillion to corporations and loses 3.5 million jobs according to moody's. hillary clinton's plan to invest in infrastructure alone would generate 3.5 million new jobs as opposed to donald trump's plan which will cost 3.5 million jobs. >> several people have responded to her plan saying, you know, show's actually right. how do you respond? >> three things there and i'll start with the reverse. you can tell what's wrong with the democratic party tailed when they are citing moody's, the people who helped fuel the subprime lending crisis that crashed the economy and moody's also in their plan if you read the fine minute they said donald trump's immigration plan would raise wages for working americans. hillary clinton's plan will depress wages for working americans. black and hispanic americans will suffer the deepest most
severe cuts because of her corporatist immigration plan. when an ambassador is murdered on foreign soil it is an issue that affects the entire country. our entire country came under attack and if hillary clinton refused or failed to provide security to the ambassador and his staff, especially because it is a situation she personally created in libya, that is a direct factor in her fitness to serve of and she's not fit to serve of, not as secretary of state, not as president. >> alice? >> i think obviously you need to be prepared to answer this question again tomorrow because certainly it will come up in his speech that he'll be making tomorrow talking about hillary's accomplishments or lack thereof. i do want to touch on the money situation. if you're just looking at the overall numbers that's one thing, but you also have to take into consideration in this last cycle donald trump received $2 billion worth of earned media himself based on his appearances on television. hillary clinton around 750 million. that has to be taken into
consideration as well, and that's money he didn't have to raise. he's clearly at the stage now, stephen has mentioned they have had fund raisers for the last week or so and that's important. money is one factor, but all the talk that has been spent today and the last 24 hours on fund-raising is something that journalists like to talk about. >> you don't think fund-raising is a big deal? >> i don't think it is. >> the numbers are old, 45 days old. >> you also have to factor in the parties themselves are also helping on the ground and this is lost in the narrative. the rnc raised $12 million this last quarter compared to the dnc, 11 million so we have the national parties with republicans outraising the democrats and they will help with the infrastructure on the ground. and people do not compare how much candidates raise. they are concerned about money in their own pocket, not in the candidates could havers. >> don't you think it's important if donald trump as i said to stephen, and he's picked up on people's hopes and dreams, right, and what they want, but in order to accomplish that he's going to need money to stay in the race. that's the question. if he can't raise money how does
he stay in the race in order to do that? >> that's what they are in the process of. they have made the shift to focus on bringing on people that will help to focus on policy, focus on the general election message which will be opposing hillary as well as barack obama and bringing in fund-raising and -- >> hold on, hang on, hang on. you don't look at those numbers and you go 42 million and look halt 3 million or 1 million and go oh, whoa. >> a lot of other factors to. >> a big portion of the money used -- that a campaign brings in is on paid media and if you can get $2 billion of earned media for free why spend money and that's a simple fact of the matter. >> that's hover. >> absolutely. >> that's over now. >> and that's why it's shifting and moving forward. >> complete disarray. campaign manager was fired. donald trump looks like he's gone from "the aprern tis" to "biggest loser" and open revolt. the trump in cleveland is a month away and the never trump
movement is burgeoning again and the speaker of the house can barely stand to run on a ticket with donald trump. mitch mcconnell who has given up hope on the white house and wants to protect the senate and the evangelicals, nine people on the dv aye s, and they said who here is now going to endorse donald trump or publicly support donald trump, not a single leader? >> i was at the meeting. 1,000 evangelical leaders from across the country and leaders. he was there and spoke with them about issues that were important to them including supreme court justices and protecting religious liberty and supporting our friend israel and issues they are concerned with. from their standpoint all the people in that room, they will vote for donald trump, but as it stands right now, endorsing them, they have more leverage to continue to push him to support their courses by withholding their endorsements and holding his neat to the fire and that's
a big part why they didn't run out of the room screaming i'm going to endorse and support donald trump. >> that's a very good point. >> because if you want leverage. >> they have to withhold some of that support. >> you don't want them to know too soon that he has you. >> the election is four months away. i mean, the -- >> have you decided who you're voting for, by the way? >> hillary clinton, just in case you were wondering. >> the idea that the evangelicals would say, well, yeah, we heard him, not so sure yet. you have people all across -- you had adam herngzer on who was like, i'm not right there yet on donald trump. i mean, the election -- >> put hillary clinton in a room full of 1,000 evangelicals and see how that goes. >> leaders not politicians choose. >> you're leaning back, chilling out. thank you all. >> thank you. >> thank you, don. >> we'll be right back. there are two billion people
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donald trump says he's the better candidate for gay voters and as you might imagine not everyone agrows with that. here to discuss conservative strategist chris baron and a hillary clinton delegate from new york city. good to have both of you. councilman johnson, we'll start with you. donald trump made the big push in the aftermath of orlando say he'll be better for the gay community than hillary clinton. take a look at this. >> by the way, the lbgt community is just, what's happened to them it's just so sad and to be thinking about where their policies are currently with this administration is a disgrace to that community. we want to live in a country where gay and lesbian americans and all americans are safe from
radical islam. i'm much better for gays. >> what does that say. ask the gays what they think and do not only in saudi arabia and many of these countries with the gay community. just ask, and then you tell me who is your friend, donald trump or hillary clinton? hillary clinton, crooked hillary, takes tens of millions of dollars into her foundation, foundation, takes tens of millions of dollars from countries that kill gays and that enslave women, and i will tell you i am far better for women, i am far better for gays. >> councilman johnson, i mean, it is ground breaking the way that the gop presumptive nominee is really trying, to you know, get the gay vote, the lbgt vote. do you think that he's right, that he is better for gay americans, lbgt americans than hillary clinton? >> i think that's funny that just because you say the four letters lbgt, you somehow are
the champion of the lbgt community. he met today in new york, as your previous panel said, with 11,000 evangelical leaders, the who's who of the anti-gay right, gary dobson and ralph reed, the list goes on, people who have made a career of demonizing and denigrating gay people. serious impacts and efforts that have really hurt gay people because of what these folks have done. donald trump is against marriage equality. donald trump says he wants to remake the supreme court and make it even more conservative. donald trump has never been there for the gay community so it is laughable to me that just because he says those four letters he is all of a sudden a champion. he is a magal ho maniacal crazy person. >> chris barron, i can hear you breathing on the other side. you want to jump in, why? >> donald trump is not allowed to talk to evangelical
christians but hillary clinton can take $50 million from saudi arabia, that the penalty for being gay in saudi arabia ranges from chemical cass administration to death, so you tell me -- you tell me. donald trump can't talk to evangelical christians but hillary clinton is supposed to be a champion of the gay community and her foundation has lined their pockets with money from regimes interest brutalize lbgt folks. flat out hypocrisy. >> in 20111 hillary clinton as secretary of state stood up in front of the united nations and said gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights. >> like you said just saying it doesn't make it so. you said it yourself. you said just because donald trump says the words lbgt doesn't mean anything. just because hillary clinton says that gay rights -- >> look at the positions. >> donald trump is not taking money from saudi arabia. >> donald trump is pandering to the anti-gay right, does not support our community in any way. >> by talking to them. >> i'm sort of offended in many ways. there's an epidemic of violence
against gay people in america. gay kids are still committing suicide and still parental rejection and gay people in florida can be fired from their jobs. hillary clinton is with us on you will all of those issues. donald trump isn't, and he is pandering to the anti-gay fringe right of america, and i guess, if i remember correctly, in september, chris, you said on your own twitter feed donald trump is a sociopath so all of a sudden you're supporting a sociopath. >> yeah, because guess what, donald trump is far superior to hillary clinton, and guess what. >> you want a sociopath as president? >> let me tell you what. hillary clinton is a bigger sociopath than donald trump could ever be, and by the way, hillary clinton has been for lbgt rights when it's been politically expedient for her. donald trump has a career in business that has a stellar record on lbgt rights so don't sit here and say donald trump has never been a friend to the lbgt community because the truth is donald trump put his money where his mouth is. hillary clinton, when it was politically expedient for hillary clinton to be against
lbgt equality she was. when her husband signed don't ask don't tell she was for it and when he signed the defense of marriage act she was for it hand now surprise, surprise, hillary clinton has come around. >> chris, the last time i had you on your show you said you evolved on donald trump. at first you were against him and now you're for him. hillary clinton has evolved on the issue of gay rights and same-sex marriage and don't ask and don't tell, so -- so can she evolve and can you evolve and she not evolve? >> she can evolve, but he can't sit there and say that -- that hillary clinton has been so wonderful on lbgt rights and donald trump has never done anything. the fact is that donald trump not only has a track record, a business track record, of protecting lbgt folks, an extensive record but he's also the only candidate who is speaking out on the extension threat that lbgt people face today from extermination from radical islamic terrorists. this election it is not going to be about bathrooms. it's not going to be about who is going to bake our wedding gay. this is about life or death.
>> it's also about who can get married and have the same rights as -- as heterosexual couples. >> and we can get married. >> yes, we can get married thankfully because we have a supreme court that decided to do the right thing by a slim majority. donald trump has said today that he wants to readjust the supreme court with a conservative majority that would likely rule against our rights. donald trump is someone who does not treat people with dignity. he's mocking disabled reporters. he is calling -- he is calling women slobs and pings. >> let me jump in here because i want to ask you, chris then, if you're -- if you're a gay man, in a relationship or what have you and you say that this is about having the same rights, if donald trump wants to appoint people to the supreme court who may -- who are going to try to overturn that, how do you reconcile that? >> for one thing this is like the -- the boogie man that the left wants to trot out right now. marriage equality isn't going away, and guess what? donald trump is going to replace antonin scalia a conservative
with a conservative on the court. >> i hope that doesn't happen. i hope that doesn't happen! >> i know the left wants to scare gay people into not even thinking about voting for donald trump. >> no. we want gay people to have equal rights and dignity. >> if you want people to have equal rights and dignity then talk about combating radical islam. >> thank you all. >> thank you. can't let donald trump be president. it's too scarey. >> we'll be right back. >> thanks, don. form is growing at an alarming rate. growing fast, you say? we can't contain it any long... oh! you know, that reminds me of how geico's been the fastest-growing auto insurer for over 10 years straight. over ten years? mhm, geico's the company your friends and neighbors trust. and deservedly so. indeed. geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.